Rachel Lucas dives into the origins of separate public restrooms for men and women, and invites you to join her as she explores their contentious history. Public restrooms are some of the most dangerous places a transgender person can go. Learn how gender identity and expression play a role in the way we think about public restrooms and our safety inside them.
As the HR Training & Development Specialist for RANGE Consulting, Rachel Lucas, PHR, has made it her mission to end LGBT workplace discrimination in Colorado. RANGE Consulting is a social enterprise of the GLBT Community Center of Colorado which celebrated its 40th anniversary this year. Rachel’s previous experience with Neiman Marcus and Ernst & Young has informed her work in Human Resources and adult education and training. A passionate supporter and advocate of workplace diversity and inclusion, equal employment rights and protection, and the LGBTQ community, Rachel holds a Bachelor’s of Business Administration degree, the Professional in Human Resources (PHR) designation, and is a member of and volunteers for the Mile High Society for Human Resource Management.
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This woman is completely off base. Women are afforded privacy in their restrooms with private stalls with doors. Men are not afforded the same level of privacy, with open urinals, often with no dividers. Many men don’t even like them because of the lack of privacy, but unfortunately, that is part of male socialization. Less classy male restrooms actually have a trough expecting guys to just whip it out in the open, with complete lack of dignity afforded. For a woman, using a men’s restroom is just part of satisfying this ongoing power struggle many women have with men.
I believe that women's bathrooms should also include urinals because this would be much more convenient for trans women. Trans women shouldn't use a stall to sit down and pee. Urinals are quicker and the trans women should be more considerate of regular women that need to use a stall.
Trans women are statistically FAR more likely to be attacked in either public accommodation, so cis women can take a back seat to this, this is not a concern for us, we are safe, trans women are not.
Putting trans men and women in an "other" bathroom singles them out for even MORE discrimination than they already face, so that's a terrible idea.
Trans people aren't bothering anyone in the restrooms they are using, and they obviously prefer that restroom, so that's where they should be.
Interesting that it’s all about women’s safety...and men behaving badly, but the example you used was two women beating another woman. If you have this rare mental condition I would think you should expect to feel uncomfortable when using a restroom sometimes, just as it may make us feel uncomfortable too. Acceptance is a two way street, if someone disagrees with you, they’re not automatically “phobic” which is also a mental condition.
When i was young my mom would talked about how the mens bathroom was unsafe because of my age and she wanted me to use the womens bathroom if my brother wasnt there, i didnt oppose of it because i wanted to be safe and unharmed too. After i started to get older i did feel uncomfortable being in the womens bathroom and a small insedent occured when i was like 7 or something which is when i statred to use the mens bathroom. But anyway i went into the girls one and did my business and when i left i saw a woman standing and washing her hands. She turned me and had was slightly shocked that a little boy was in that bathroom but she didnt shoo me out. And i actually said to her that im sorry if im in here but my mom wanted me to go in here because she felt it was safer for me.
Trans people report being afraid of going to the bathroom, and that means they're right to be afraid? What % of cisgender people report being afraid of going to the bathroom with trans people? Does that mean they're right too? You can't use this sort of self-reported evidence to prove that these beliefs are reasonable. How many trans people have - in fact - been attacked in a bathroom because they were trans? You need evidence on that issue to prove your point.
"How many trans people have - in fact - been attacked in a bathroom because they were trans? You need evidence on that issue to prove your point."
She also literally provided evidence of transpeople being attacked in restrooms. 9:12
If the point you're trying to make is that transpeople are afraid to use public restrooms, then the only evidence you need is self-reporting. If transpeople say that they're afraid of using public restrooms, then they are afraid of using public restrooms. That's what "being afraid" means.
We have evidence that witches have existed forever & throughout the world - does that make witches real? Having evidence does not mean that you have reliable evidence. The fact is that the "evidence" for transgenderism is the same as the "evidence" for witchcraft or alien abduction -- lots of self-reporting. That's not really "evidence."
Thanks. On Wicca/witches, that wouldn't be scientific evidence. Finally, the brain scans thing is a scam. Basically, some activists (not MDs) looked at a few brain scans of self-identified transgenders & found "difference" - that's not science.. There is no such thing as a male brain or a female brain (other than size (men are generally larger & thus male brains tend to be larger), there's no way to id one from the other using brain scans), so you can't do what this study claimed to do. The "differences", by the way, were consistent with homosexuality & the changes brought on by experience (rather than genes). Transgenders would love to claim "science" proves their theories, but it doesn't & can't. After all, if transgenderism is real, then homosexuality isn't - how could you have a genetic attraction to an invisible, socially-constructed & fluid feeling/sentiment etc.? You couldn't. Either gender is binary & genetically-determined, or homosexuality isn't genetically-determined. If "gender" is like being a Rotarian, then attraction to gender is NOT genetic. I get that everyone wants to be PC, but think it through - these progressive ideas contradict each other. Which one do you want to believe? And why are questions of "science," coming down to what do you "believe"?
The entire idea of segregated bathrooms have always confused me, when I was a little girl my dad always took me to the men’s room when I needed to pee so he could wait right outside the stall and help if I needed anything. No one ever blinked an eye at that and as I grew up and realised it was such a big deal to people I was shocked.
Some say the equal rights amendment would have led to women being drafted into the armed services along with them men. Do you think this would be true? If so, I think that would be enough to justify not passing it. In my opinion anyway.
For me this is so strange, I'm a ciswoman, but when there is a long line in the womans bathroom I go to the mens bathroom. No problem there, if it was reversed I wouldn't realy mind either. Surprised? Maby. But not fearful. I never heard of the fear of a man in the womans bathroom in the Netherlands but maybe that's just me? I get that gender nonconforming people don't realy know what to choose so that's a reason to get gender nutural bathrooms, but I don't see a problem with anyone using the womans bathroom. Anyone else from the Netherlands who is experiencing this?
(pardon my possible mistakes, as you might have guessed English is not my first language)
I do miss out on a lot of things. I have a routine with specific restrooms, but overall never go too far from my apartment in case of emergency. Guess you could say I travel in a circle. It's safe, and limiting. But going beyond it takes SO MUCH work.
She made a point about that. It's already illegal, in segregationed bathrooms. If a woman peeked at an another woman in a stall, the latter could issue a judicial follow to this as it is illegal. The same would apply in gender neutral bathrooms.
If you have male parts you should use the men's room. Men don't belong in the women's no matter how much they feel like a "women". That's really messed up stuff. They should seek professional help because there has something wrong with someone who thinks they aren't what there built to be.
guess what? trans people do talk to therapists to get prescribed for hormone therapy because psychologists agree the best way to help them is by transitioning and they get surgeries that give them female genitalia do they are women. Period.
I was once kicked out of a female bathroom for "not being female"...
I am nonbinary, HOWEVER I was born female. The fear of trans people in bathrooms has not only cause those who are trans, to have hate forced upon them but also those who don't fit the "correct" female look
This also goes for men
@ferntree1 you're comment is so contradictory. By saying you are non binary, you uphold damaging gender roles. If you don't believe in gender roles... Saying that you're non binary is pointless. Please just reconsider the actual reasons anyone would choose that label.
@VAMR1991 If you like being female, that's great. I'm really happy you feel at home in that identity. But for those whose internal sense of gender doesn't fit with the physical body they were given (including nonbinary people) transition can be life saving.
Say good-bye to the urinal, fellas. When building bathrooms for this (seemingly new) multi-gendered population, do you think they're going to include urinals? I doubt it. Let's not forget the REAL tragedy here--The extinction of the urinal! (Just kidding)
I am a cisgender woman. The amount of times I’ve gone to the men’s bathroom because the line for the ladies room was way too long is more than I can count. None of the men have ever said anything about it, seemingly understanding my need to empty my bladder overrides the use of the “correct” bathroom. I’ve been to plenty of bathrooms that don’t have any gender identification. I’ve seen dads in the ladies room with their daughters, moms in the men’s room with their little boys. Never, ever, have I worried if someone is there to do anything other than pee.
I knew that it was time to start going into the men's room when I dashed into a woman public restroom not thinking anything of it and a woman at the sink dropped her purse and screamed. Lol Basically said, "oh, so sorry" and ran out acting like I went into the wrong one by accident.
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I'm a trans woman. I'm lucky in that I "pass" well enough that I've never had an issue in bathrooms. I'm still a little nervous about going into the women's restroom. There's a part of me that still finds it hard to believe I pass as well as I do. So I worry that someone will notice that I'm trans and it will cause a problem.
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Have you asked men if they want to give up their favourite networking platform? Films and popular culture have shown me that men make most of their friends over a shared urinal experience. Do you want to deprive them of that sense of community and penile brotherhood?
You Cant Lotor Me Thank you, I wish more trans people felt that way; but they are grouping themselves together and want to teach innocent children that this is normal. That isn’t acceptance or tolerance; they’re pushing an agenda.
Blackdogsmatter Hey trans here and actually uses those bathrooms we had them in my school but they were typically for disabled people and if no one disabled was using them I would go there and I don’t see why would be discrimination if anything I’d be more acceptance than anything in my eyes but that’s just my view. Like then trans non-binary such and such and such can use it without fear of being hurt or the shunful looks. Also don’t group people together each trans person has different views and ideas of what is okay and what’s not.
Edit to add those bathrooms to clarify
I don't know what world you live in...But, there are people out there who will victimize children and adults if everyone used the same public bathroom. That's why there are separate bathrooms, Rachel. There have to be rules in our society or there would be chaos. Your gender didn't turn out 'the way that your doctor expected.' A person is male or female. That's it. Of course trans people have always existed throughout history--there have always been incredibly confused people...
I am against allowing extraterrestrials to use public bathrooms... Otherwise, whatever arrangements people want to make is fine by me. I will say that I would not be comfortable sharing a bathroom with a woman unless she was a girlfriend or a wife... But I don't have a problem with all gender bathrooms.
Brilliant talk. But the main thing is; assault in bathrooms is illegal anyway. If you think assault happens in bathrooms, then you have to accept that cis men could assault cis men/boys in restrooms. If your fear is assault, then your issue should not be with trans people (who as shown are more likely to be assaulted), but with the actual people who are doing the assaulting.
what's funny to me is the hypocrisy of those against bathroom rights for trans people their argument is someone might do something to a child, inevitably these are the same conservative people who are against gun control laws . who when you say someone may shoot up a class room full of children look at you incredulously and say you cant hold the crimes of a few against everyone ... the cult of ignorance America is becoming is so disturbing to me ...
Frances JAMES, it might seem like trans women using women's bathrooms is a recent occurrence. The fact of the matter is trans women have been using women's bathrooms for many decades without incident. Many cis women have shared a bathroom with a trans woman without realizing it. It's interesting that its only become an issue after marriage equality went nationwide in 2015. In 2016 North Carolina passed HB2.
I had the opportunity to produce a film about the demolition of a historic hotel 1983. The demolition crew allow access for me to film wherever I chose. I went into about every nook and cranny of that structure: offices, guest rooms, restaurant, bar, kitchens, and public restrooms.
I made a curious observation that has had me pondering since then.
The men's room at the executive floor was elaborate: several urinals, several stalls, and several private showers.
As for women, the women's restroom was two stalls (neither wide for handicap access) and one crampt sink.
Considering this presentation, recalling the year of the construction of that hotel, the lack of up-grades required for the time, it seems obvious that the women's restroom was likely a late remodel to a room used for other purposes in original construction.
Whereas the men's restroom was well-designed and considered for a society where there were no women in the business, let alone no women employed at the executive floor.
At least they eventually(?) had ladies toilets. As recently as 20 years ago I was in a public house in Glasgow that only had a gents toilet. They served drinks to women though. When I asked where the ladies was I couldn't believe there wasn't even one lavvy, and attempted to use the gents which got me ejected from the premises. Defiantly, I stood inside their door recess, dropped my drawers and peed all over their entrance.
So everyone is suooosed to accept the idea of shared restroom because of a minute part of the oooulation. Most restrooms won't even be used by a trans everyday yet anyone can now enter either restroom??
@thea whitaker often times mothers will take their young sons to the women's with them to make sure they're going safely. So there's that... generally women don't want their small children using the men's bathroom or being alone. For obvious reasons (plus the possibility of kidnapping).
....that's what about little boys....
To me it's pretty simple. If you identify as a woman (but your plumbing is male) and you wear dresses and do your makeup and hair as a woman then don't speak but go into the female restroom, into a stall and do your business. Ditto someone who identifies as a male (but your plumbing is female) and you wear men's clothes and your hair is short, the go into the men's restroom into a stall and do your business. Bottom line, don't make a big deal out of the fact that you are trans and life goes on. If you ID as a female but your plumbing is male (and vice-versa) then either make the gender ID complete (with appearance) but stop making it a big deal.
Tell that to the trans kids in public schools where the teachers kick open the stall doors to pull them off the toilets and men who stand outside women's restrooms "guarding" the door against anyone he ASSUMES isn't a cis woman. Who are you tell someone where to use a bathroom? How about you keep YOUR mouth shut and hands to yourself and mind YOUR own business and let trans people do what they do? Seems like they wouldn't have to say anything if they weren't being ATTACKED for simply going to the bathroom in the first place, but no, go on, let's blame the victims here for speaking up about it.
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